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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 4, 2019 19:44:10 GMT -6
We are going to use the RL Trade Deadline this year of July 31st. We reserve the right to look at this again after this year but we will go with the change for now. We will re-examine this change from last year as well. Seems the change from Aug 31st to July 31st was an issue for some who wanted to trade during FYPD.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 7:45:07 GMT -6
I don't think there should be compensation if you lose players in FYPD. Leave it as is. Some years you may make out, some years you won't. Balances out over time. I would support moving the Trade Deadline back.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 5, 2019 8:48:05 GMT -6
I don't think there should be compensation if you lose players in FYPD. Leave it as is. Some years you may make out, some years you won't. Balances out over time. I would support moving the Trade Deadline back. That was my point as well Sully. It balances out pretty well over time. We will discuss it for sure (trade deadline).
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Post by Dodgers GM - Jonathan on Dec 12, 2019 10:23:33 GMT -6
I would like to propose that we create a 1 round international draft - I believe that the current system of a team getting their MLB team's international signings doesn't promote GM skill but rather luck based on how active or effective your actual MLB team is in international signings and scoutings. I appreciate that this involves extra work by owners but I think the more opportunities for owners to be engaged in the management of their teams, the more fun it is for owners and thus the more engaged owners will be. A one round draft would be a nice balance between not requiring too much of owners, creating additional trading capital and still preserving the current system of the bulk of your club's signings probably going to the home team anyway. Thank you for consideration Eric - Tigers I appreciate the suggestion but I just don't see us adding a 3rd Draft to the league. This would also delude the DD further. I'm in agreement with the Tigers and was wondering what your thoughts would be on making the DD for Pirates, Padres AND International Free Agents. There is a huge competitive advantage given to certain teams due to their willingness to be big spenders during the International Signing period. It makes many of the teams in our league significantly less desirable to manage due to the fact that their real life counterparts don't spend on this pool of players. If your concern is "deluding the DD further" then I would assume there's already concern about it being deluded. Lets make it better and actually worth paying attention to. Stick with two rounds. Padres and Pirates prospects are still available. However, lets add to the pool that year's crop of International signings. Those who don't get selected go to their MLB counterparts (just like the FYPD).
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 12, 2019 10:31:07 GMT -6
I appreciate the suggestion but I just don't see us adding a 3rd Draft to the league. This would also delude the DD further. I'm in agreement with the Tigers and was wondering what your thoughts would be on making the DD for Pirates, Padres AND International Free Agents. There is a huge competitive advantage given to certain teams due to their willingness to be big spenders during the International Signing period. It makes many of the teams in our league significantly less desirable to manage due to the fact that their real life counterparts don't spend on this pool of players. If your concern is "deluding the DD further" then I would assume there's already concern about it being deluded. Lets make it better and actually worth paying attention to. Stick with two rounds. Padres and Pirates prospects are still available. However, lets add to the pool that year's crop of International signings. Those who don't get selected go to their MLB counterparts (just like the FYPD). I just don't see it happening but won't say 100% no.
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Post by Cleveland GM (David) on Dec 12, 2019 10:33:43 GMT -6
I would vote no.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 12, 2019 10:44:24 GMT -6
Also a little weird that people want compensation for losing FYPD guys but are ok handing over International guys.
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Post by Dodgers GM - Jonathan on Dec 12, 2019 11:15:59 GMT -6
Also a little weird that people want compensation for losing FYPD guys but are ok handing over International guys. FWIW, I would definitely vote no on FYPD compensation. I'm just concerned about league parity and turnover. The international market is becoming more and more relevant at the Major League level. It's a little scary that guys like Ronald Acuna & Juan Soto are just added to a team's roster, not because they drafted well, but because their real life team selected them for them. Yordan Alvarez has recently established himself as an elite young hitter (ROY) and, arguably the greatest prospects in the past decade, Wander Franco wasn't selected. I think it would be in the league's best interest to offer players like this up to everyone at some point. If you miss the opportunity, fine. But to have the two best young players in the game just gifted to teams seems a little short sighted. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Vlad Guerrero. Tatis Jr. Eloy Jimenez. Luis Robert.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 12, 2019 16:55:03 GMT -6
Not all hyped big money international guys exactly work out either. I can't even name the last big name international guy who made it from Marlins and I would still vote no. The last big ticket guy they signed Victor Victor Mesa has been underwelming at best so far. Yes I realize he is only 22 and plenty of time but its not been a great debut year for him.
Another issue is we have plenty of teams already with half assed minor league pages this would only make open teams more a disaster to keep straight in the future with who they do and do not own.
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Post by RaysGM on Dec 13, 2019 9:18:27 GMT -6
I appreciate the suggestion but I just don't see us adding a 3rd Draft to the league. This would also delude the DD further. I'm in agreement with the Tigers and was wondering what your thoughts would be on making the DD for Pirates, Padres AND International Free Agents. There is a huge competitive advantage given to certain teams due to their willingness to be big spenders during the International Signing period. It makes many of the teams in our league significantly less desirable to manage due to the fact that their real life counterparts don't spend on this pool of players. If your concern is "deluding the DD further" then I would assume there's already concern about it being deluded. Lets make it better and actually worth paying attention to. Stick with two rounds. Padres and Pirates prospects are still available. However, lets add to the pool that year's crop of International signings. Those who don't get selected go to their MLB counterparts (just like the FYPD). I’d support this idea. I don’t love the league consensus (not sure really if consensus since only a few owners have weighed in) that FYPD evens out over time (I have multiple draft class holes) or that international signings do to. I’d rather be more proactive in leveling the playing field rather than hoping “it works itself out”. Plus it adds new elements of strategy, isn’t that the point of it all?
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2019 14:53:59 GMT -6
Since 2012 -- Tampa Bay Rays
ADDED: Victor Roache (2012) Matt Olson (2012) Traded 3rd Rd (2012) Eric Jagielo (2013) Traded 2nd Rd (2013) Traded 3rd Rd (2013) Braxton Davidson (2014) Sam Travis (2014) Gavin LaValley (2014) Ke'Bryan Hayes (2015) Desmond Lindsay (2015) Matt Rose (2015) Alex Kiriloff (2016) Traded 2nd Rd (2016) Connor Capel (2016) Brent Rooker (2017) Steven Jennings (2017) Traded 3rd Rd (2017) Nico Hoerner (2018) Owen White (2018) Richard Palacios (2018) Brett Baty (2019) Brady McConnell (2019) Josh Smith (2019)
LOST: Richie Shaffer (2012) Andrew Toles (2012) Ryan Stanek (2013) Nick Ciuffo (2013) Riley Unroe (2013) Thomas Milone (2013) Casey Gillaspie (2014) Cameron Varga (2014) Garrett Whitley (2015) Chris Betts (2015) Joe McCarthy (2015) Josh Lowe (2016) Ryan Boldt (2016) Brendan Mckay (2017) Michael Mercado (2017) Drew Strotman (2017) Matthew Liberatore (2018) Shane McClanahan (2018) Nick Schnell (2018) Tyler Frank (2018) Greg Jones (2019) JJ Goss (2019) Seth Johnson (2019) Graeme Stinson (2019)
Players Added - 19 Picks Traded - 5 Players Lost - 24
To be honest some of these "holes" were self created by you trading away picks. If you had made the picks you traded away it would have been 23 added and 24 lost. Seems like it evened out pretty well to me.
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Post by RaysGM on Dec 13, 2019 16:18:54 GMT -6
Your mixing draft results with trade elements and missing context on player value by round, but that’s besides the point. We get it, you don’t like compensatory picks or caps on number of players lost. I don’t think it’s healthy for the league to count on this balancing out over time. Points have been made, let’s vote and it’ll be what it’ll be.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2019 17:03:37 GMT -6
Your mixing draft results with trade elements and missing context on player value by round, but that’s besides the point. We get it, you don’t like compensatory picks or caps on number of players lost. I don’t think it’s healthy for the league to count on this balancing out over time. Points have been made, let’s vote and it’ll be what it’ll be. I mean you claimed you lost 7 guys in one draft and unless that was 2010 or 2011 that statement was not factual. If people want to argue stuff they should at least offer up facts. That is all. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things because it can always be verified. With 6 open teams there will be no vote until we fill the league if there is a vote at all which we probably will but we need close to full league first. Especially since we are likely looking at two possible votes potentially if we even end up voting on compensation and/or international stuff. A major change like this would likely not be implemented until next year in terms of international draft. Its not as simple as "here is a international draft free for all." You need a rule which includes a start and end date for who is elg. What exactly is covered in this "International Draft". Would also be nice if I don't know teams with horrible minor league pages actually had not horrible minor league pages before we try to implement any new stuff involving minor league players. Some teams are so bad its barely even counts as a minor league page.
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Post by RaysGM on Dec 13, 2019 19:35:24 GMT -6
Not that other owners care, but since you called me out, 2011 was the year, right on my prospects page.
My philosophy on this is not based solely on this league, I’m in several leagues with similar rules and sometimes it benefits me while other times it hurts my roster.
Separate discussion, but not sure I’d want a 1st year owner voting on much of anything. Let them get their feet wet and learn the league before weighing in on new rules.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2019 20:17:15 GMT -6
Not that other owners care, but since you called me out, 2011 was the year, right on my prospects page. My philosophy on this is not based solely on this league, I’m in several leagues with similar rules and sometimes it benefits me while other times it hurts my roster. Separate discussion, but not sure I’d want a 1st year owner voting on much of anything. Let them get their feet wet and learn the league before weighing in on new rules. I disagree that new GMs should have no voice just because they are new. A lot of "new" GMs come with experience in other leagues. And some might not care but an international draft also puts added pressure on TAB to make sure that so and so international guy isnt traded between so and so date too. Its not cut and dry as some want to make it seem.
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