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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 6:24:07 GMT -6
Obviously I would want him, but I think that a high caliber player that is MLB ready should be in the FA pool. I get why the DR/VZ/Colombia/Korea/Mexico/Etc. But I strongly think that Cuba should be put in with Japan. I think this a a big deal that can really change the power of this league. Abreu will be an all star or at the very least a very solid 1B within the next year or two, and getting that under a rookie contract hurts other teams trying to rebuild themsevles. If Chicago wants him that bad they will bid. Even if we give him to the Sox, at least make it a contract at 10 mil or something of value vs. 300,000. Just a thought.
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Post by ex-redsoxgm on Jan 17, 2014 7:51:25 GMT -6
How many YOUNG, YOUNG kids come from Cuba though, not that many. To leave Cuba you need to defect. That is a life threatening, HUGE risk. Random 19 year olds don't just defect to maybe get a shot at the minor leagues. There are WAY more MLB ready or close to MLB ready Cubans that defect. Even payers like Jorge Soler who needs to spend 3ish years in the minors is a TOP prospect and worth reostering. You dont get many 18 year old kids from Cuba that could be potentially career minor leaguers. Plus, DONT BID ON THEM. The BALANCE of fairness does not lie in a few outlying cubans who come RISK THEIR LIFE to defect to play in the minors, but when potential MLB allstars that sign contracts in teh 40-70 million dollar range to play immediately or within a year or so. You get those players for 6 years at 300K, thats fucked up. Its not someone that is drafted , where everyone has their own draft picks and you hope your scouts are good. This is a few select teams , whos OWN team uses their SALARY to purchase a player. Its just not right.
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Post by metsgm on Jan 17, 2014 8:02:53 GMT -6
What if we went to arbitration in this league for such players similar to re-signing rules instead of giving rookie deals? Could be a mess but its a thought.
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Post by ex-redsoxgm on Jan 17, 2014 9:00:36 GMT -6
The simpliest solution is to do what the other three leagues I am do, make Cubans ( IMO also Koreans after Chen/Ryu ) free agents.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 17, 2014 14:16:33 GMT -6
What if we went to arbitration in this league for such players similar to re-signing rules instead of giving rookie deals? Could be a mess but its a thought. Not interested in this at all its way too complicated.
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Post by Red Sox GM on Jan 17, 2014 14:18:36 GMT -6
Here's one option that I threw out. If a player from Japan or Cuba is signed to a major league contract then he's a FA, if he signs a minor league contract then he's property of that team just like any other minor league player.
I feel this is the simplest way to handle players from Japan and Cuba that sign these type of deals.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 17, 2014 14:38:16 GMT -6
Either way, we are all listening to what is being said here and discussing it.
Please continue to provide your feed back.
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Post by GM Phillies on Jan 17, 2014 15:00:26 GMT -6
I'm good whatever is decided.
That being said, one angle to look at is the effect one of these signings has on a team. Take for example, Aroldis Chapman of the Reds if he were just becoming available now. A Cuban who under the proposed rules who go directly to the Reds at the minimum. Now he would have a closer. If Chapman goes to Free Agency, the Reds have no closer. Good or bad?
One thing the real-life Reds signing of Chapman does do, it prevents them from developing an in-house option for that role. True, the Reds here get Chapman but his system will not hand him a Kimbrel (Atl), Holland (KC), Cishek (Mia) or Rosenthal (StL) as long as Chapman is there. In an odd way, a real-life team's Cuban signing could actually stifle a fantasy team if he doesn't get that player.
I have a ton of cash available for free agency this year and would love to bid on someone like Abreu. But if the Sox don't get him, he is hampered greatly in a way as I'm sure the real-life Sox are not going to be overly concerned with trying to develop first base prospects for the foreseeable future. Which would prevent the Sox here from ever owning a minimum salary first baseman.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 17, 2014 15:05:29 GMT -6
You know there are other ways to get a minimal salary player at a pos that is blocked by your RL team? Its the FYPD and if your a good drafter maybe even the DD. Even trades. I mean IFA are not the be all end all there are probably more flames than hits overall.
It really does not matter what rule we ultimately use it won't be perfect but we will do the best we can to come up with the best possible rule.
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Post by GM Phillies on Jan 17, 2014 16:23:43 GMT -6
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 17, 2014 16:27:05 GMT -6
Him and the Yunesky Maya who signed with Nats are two examples of how hit or miss even foreign guys are regardless of country. For a Korean example former Cub/Dodger 1B Choo is a example of a guy who underwhelmed. Even Japan has them. Every country does really. Even the most polished guys could be unsuccessful in the states. Its all really a gamble no matter what.
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Post by GM Phillies on Jan 17, 2014 16:51:43 GMT -6
And the Yankees gave Japanese pitcher Kei Igawa 20 million for 5 years. He ended up being 2-4, with a 6.66 ERA career record. www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/igawake01.shtmlWeird but he was only 26-27 years old and coming off very good numbers in Japan. Had very good K rates, decent ERA's, even had a 20-5 season over there.
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Post by DBacksGM on Jan 17, 2014 22:28:09 GMT -6
If the foreign player signs a major league deal, he should be considered a major league free agent. Limiting it to just players coming over from Japan is dated; there are professional leagues in countries other than Japan. At the end of the day, you can't treat a pro-level player the same way you would an amateur. It doesn't make sense in a league with contracts.
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Post by Ex-BrewersGM (Ryan) on Jan 18, 2014 1:39:52 GMT -6
I've always been against allowing the team that signs the Cuban to dictate who gets him in this league. Free agency or some type of draft would be more "free market". There has to be some sort of free market for these players.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 18, 2014 9:25:29 GMT -6
I've always been against allowing the team that signs the Cuban to dictate who gets him in this league. Free agency or some type of draft would be more "free market". There has to be some sort of free market for these players. That likely is not going to happen. They will either be FA, part of the team that signs them or some combination but there will be no international draft. Just my 0.02.
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