|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 20:02:40 GMT -6
Foreign Player Policy
The FYPD is only for High School and College kids who sign with their team on signing day. Foreign players WILL NOT be put into the FYPD.
The Contraction Draft is and will remain for only the teams no longer in the league, which would include any MLers or MiLers (including foreign players) not yet drafted or not passed the free agent mark.
In regards to foreign players, the only ones who will be Free Agents are those who sign a MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT. Meaning this will include those from Japan, Cuba, DR, Venezuela, Korea or any other country if they agree to a major league contract. If they sign a MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT they will be the property of the team that signed them in real life just as any undrafted FYPD goes to the team that they signed with in real life.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 20:05:35 GMT -6
Just wondering why Cuban players are not included in the FA pool, some good talent coming out of there esp. this year and past players. Just wondering.
|
|
|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 20:12:33 GMT -6
Just the rule that was decided on. We had about 3 ideas we discussed as a TAB and this was the one that was agreed upon via a vote.
Nothing is set in stone and can always be discussed for future years.
It could be argued that Korea and Cuba should be included with Japanese but IMO there are plenty of Cubans who should not be posted as FA that would be if they were included as free agents instead of property of the team that signs them. Just my 0.02 on it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 20:16:28 GMT -6
Yeah I understand that, I jut think that for this year players like Jose Abreu and Alexander Guerrero who could get heavy contracts but now are property of their teams under minor league player contracts. Just seems weird to benefit a team in this league based on the real teams signings of highly regarded players like Abreu.
|
|
|
Post by ex-redsoxgm on Jan 16, 2014 20:22:05 GMT -6
So the White Sox get a 68 million dollar player that could be an allstar at a rookie contract 300k for 6 years? That seems fair and legit......
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 20:24:51 GMT -6
Thats my point, it should be based on the player kind of....some players come out of no where and that is okay, but to give a team a player like Abreu under a rookie contract is beyond me. At least Abreu and maybe Guerrero should be FA. They are starting players, not prospects.
|
|
|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 20:24:54 GMT -6
Yeah I understand that, I jut think that for this year players like Jose Abreu and Alexander Guerrero who could get heavy contracts but now are property of their teams under minor league player contracts. Just seems weird to benefit a team in this league based on the real teams signings of highly regarded players like Abreu. You can't have rules based on year to year you have to have a set policy. I mean the Angels yearly are mentioned with big ticket international guys because of the deep pockets of Art Moreno. I mean I am not saying I don't see what you mean but at the same time we have to have a set rule.
|
|
|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 20:26:18 GMT -6
So the White Sox get a 68 million dollar player that could be an allstar at a rookie contract 300k for 6 years? That seems fair and legit...... Coming from the GM for the Red Sox who like the Dodgers and Angels have deep pockets to essentially sign ANY IFA they want. Come on.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 20:28:44 GMT -6
If Abreu was on the Angels in real life I wouldn't assume that he is mine for years at 300,000. I don't know, I get that there needs to be rules that are in place, but I just don't see this one. To say that those teams need the help, well I was planning on going after both to help my team. I bet others were too and other teams need a lot of help along with those two. Just seems unfair.
|
|
|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 20:36:37 GMT -6
Here is an interesting question. Would you be making this same argument if it 2006 and you were in danger of losing Kendry Morales? Just curious.
I posted this so people could chime in and we (TAB) could talk about possible issue or tweaks which I have already brought up with fellow TAB Members the issues being raised here b/c we all want the same thing after all.
|
|
|
Post by metsgm on Jan 16, 2014 22:00:37 GMT -6
Plenty of what ifs in this debate, but to be clear this applies to this offseason where Abreu, Gonzalez, and Guerrero are the property of the White Sox, Phillies and Dodgers respectively? As a Japanese pitcher Tanaka is still fair game. Perhaps this relates to the new posting rules from Cuba in real life?
I can grasp that, but the difference between Cuba/Japan and the DR, Venezuela and others is that ML teams dont set up farm systems in Cuba/JP but they do elsewhere hence a true 'free agency' for players from those 2 countries coming to MLB conceptually. Ill follow TAB, just food for thought.
|
|
|
Post by ex-redsoxgm on Jan 16, 2014 22:09:32 GMT -6
Most leagues ,including ones I am in with the Marlins, IFA are signed by the respective teams that signs them. Japanese and Cuban players generally come out MLB ready or close to MLB ready with more players recently getting huge MLB contracts that start playing at all star levels immediately ( Puig, Cespedes ) Even Ryu/Chen who were Korean. There is a big difference between 16 year old Venezualan and Domincan kids signing that will be lucky to see the majors in 6 years and and someone who signs a 70 million dollar MLB deal.
|
|
|
Post by metsgm on Jan 16, 2014 22:13:25 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Jan 16, 2014 22:18:27 GMT -6
Most leagues ,including ones I am in with the Marlins, IFA are signed by the respective teams that signs them. Japanese and Cuban players generally come out MLB ready or close to MLB ready with more players recently getting huge MLB contracts that start playing at all star levels immediately ( Puig, Cespedes ) Even Ryu/Chen who were Korean. There is a big difference between 16 year old Venezualan and Domincan kids signing that will be lucky to see the majors in 6 years and and someone who signs a 70 million dollar MLB deal. And what about the 18-21 yo from Cuba who won't see the majors in 5-yrs possibly should they be a FA just b/c they are from Cuba? For every Cespedes is a guy like Maya. Its not a perfect system that does not exist I know b/c my league has used at least 3 different IFA Rules since 2005. I think there are way more guys who should NOT be free agents from Cuba than should BE. Just my 0.02 on the subject. We have some time to see if this is the final rule or if there needs to be some changes made.
|
|
|
Post by GM Phillies on Jan 17, 2014 0:07:04 GMT -6
The Gonzalez owner here. lol. I just saw this thread. So, under the new rule I would get Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez for 6 years at $300,000? To be honest, I was guessing he'd be a free agent up for grabs here.
Just chiming in here really as I'm sure the TAB went over all of the possible scenarios and deemed this to be the best. I can see the reasoning for doing it this way. I could also see the reasoning if Gonzalez entered the F/A pool. I could even see reasoning if I got Gonzalez at the 3 year, 12 million deal he signed with the Phillies.
The major difference I do see between Gonzalez and the highly rated Maikel Franco (A Dominican Phillies signing in 2010) is that Gonzalez is 27 years old and did sign the major league deal and is also currently listed on the Phillies 40 man roster. Franco though (at age 17) signed a minor league deal, has advanced up to AA now and isn't on the Phillies major league roster as of yet.
Maybe it all just balances out though. A team here that doesn't sign a Gonzalez, Abreu or Cespedes does stands a good chance of filling that slot with one of their system prospects they already own. So, while getting Gonzales is nice, he effectively blocks some of my Phillies AAA pitchers.
|
|