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Post by Nationals GM-rock30 on Nov 11, 2013 12:20:08 GMT -6
2009-2013 Re-signing Period
-09-13 Off-seasons
Baltimore Orioles 1. Edwin Encarnacion $9,000,000 (2016) (2015 NTC) 2. 3.
Boston Red Sox 1. Jon Lester $12,000,000 (2016) (2014 NTC) 2. 3.
New York Yankees 1. Kevin Youkilis $9,500,000 (2014) (NTC 2012) 2. Shin-Soo Choo $7,500,000(2015) (NTC 2014) 3.
Tampa Bay Rays 1. Carl Crawford $13,000,000 (2015) (NTC 2013) 2. B.J. Upton $8,000,000 (2014) (NTC 2012) 3. David Price $12,500,000 (2015 NTC) (2017)
Toronto Blue Jays 1. 2. 3.
Chicago White Sox 1. Josh Beckett $10,250,000 (2015) (NTC 2013) 2. Albert Pujols $16,500,000 2016(NTC 2014) 3. Hunter Pence $8,000,000 (2017) (2015NTC)
Cleveland Indians 1. 2. 3.
Detroit Tigers 1. Justin Verlander $14,000,000 (2016) 2. Matt Kemp $13,000,000 (2016)(2014 NTC) 3.
Kansas City Royals 1. Billy Butler $8,000,000 (2015 NTC) (2017) 2. Alex Gordon $7,250,000 (2015 NTC) (2017) 3.
Minnesota Twins 1. Joe Mauer $13,500,000 (2015) (NTC 2013) 2. 3.
Los Angeles Angels 1. John Lackey $13,000,000 (2013) (NTC-2012) 2. Chone Figgins $7,000,000 (2013) (NTC-2012) 3. Kendry Morales $10,000,000(2014) (NTC 2013)
Oakland Athletics 1. Matt Cain $10,250,000 (2016) (2014NTC) 2. 3.
Seattle Mariners 1. Felix Hernandez $15,000,000 (2015) (NTC-2013) 2. Anibal Sanchez $6,000,000(2014NTC) 3. Brandon Morrow $8,000,000 (2015NTC)
Texas Rangers 1. Roy Halladay $15,000,000 (2014) (NTC-2013) 2. Adrian Gonzalez $15,000,000 (2016) (NTC:2014) 3.
Atlanta Braves 1. Rickie Weeks $8,000,000 (2014) (NTC-2013) 2. Cliff Lee $15,000,000 (2014) (NTC-2013) 3. Yunel Escobar $5,000,000 (2015) NTC
Florida Marlins 1. Josh Johnson $9,500,000 (2016) (NTC:2014) 2. 3.
New York Mets 1. Jose Reyes $10,500,000 (2016) (2014NTC) 2. C.C. Sabathia $13,000,000 (2016) (2015NTC) 3.
Philadelphia Phillies 1. Zack Greinke $14,000,000 (2013) (NTC-2012) 2. Jayson Werth $8,000,000 (NTC-2012) 3. Jayson Werth $8,000,000 (2015 NTC)
Washington Nationals 1. Ryan Zimmerman - $10,000,000 (2014 NTC) (2016) 2. 3.
Chicago Cubs 1. Brian Roberts $9,000,000 (2012) (NTC-2012) 2. Carlos Marmol - $8,000,000 (2014 NTC) 3.
Cincinnati Reds 1. Dan Uggla $7,750,000(2015)(2014 NTC) 2. Josh Hamilton $13,500,000 (2017) (2015 NTC) 3.
Houston Astros 1. Jose Bautista $9,000,000 (2013 NTC) 2. Cole Hamels $12,500,000 (2016) (2014 NTC) 3. Adam Jones $8,000,000 (2017) (2015 NTC)
Milwaukee Brewers 1. Adrian Beltre $5,000,000 (2012) (NTC-2012) 2. Prince Fielder $16,500,000(2014 NTC)(2016) 3. Yovani Gallardo $9,000,000 (2017) (2015 NTC)
St. Louis Cardinals 1. Melky Cabrera $7,000,000 (2014 NTC) 2. Yadier Molina $7,000,000 (2015 NTC) 3.
Arizona Diamondbacks 1. Alexei Ramirez $6,750,000 (2014) 2. Justin Upton $12,000,000 (2017) (2015NTC) 3.
Colorado Rockies 1. Huston Street $8,000,000 (2012) (NTC-2012) 2. Ryan Howard $15,000,000 (2013) (NTC-2013) 3. Dustin Pedroia $10,500,000 (2016) (2015 NTC)
Los Angeles Dodgers 1. Nelson Cruz - $8,000,000 (2014 NTC) 2. 3.
San Francisco Giants 1. Chris Carpenter $9,000,000 (2012) (NTC-2012) 2. Matt Holliday $16,000,000 (2014) (NTC-2012) 3.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 6, 2013 18:42:04 GMT -6
This is the FINAL year of this re-sign period any unused re-signs will not carry over to the next period.
If people do not feel like this system is working we would not change it until after this off-season as some teams have probably made moves knowing they had this year to re-sign certain players.
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Post by Ex-AC - Indians GM on Dec 7, 2013 14:43:16 GMT -6
Still have 3 left !!!!!
Maybe i have never had good enough players !!!!!
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Post by ex-redsoxgm on Dec 12, 2013 15:21:52 GMT -6
This is the FINAL year of this re-sign period any unused re-signs will not carry over to the next period. If people do not feel like this system is working we would not change it until after this off-season as some teams have probably made moves knowing they had this year to re-sign certain players. What do you mean by FINAL year of resign period and NEXT period. I am under the impression that you could have three, does it go in waves, what happens if a contract lasts longer then that "period" I am awfully confused. Also have we figured out when the resinging timeframe is for 2014
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 12, 2013 16:14:53 GMT -6
This is the final year for this current period "2009-2013 Re-signing Period -- 09-13 Off-seasons"
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Post by metsgm on Dec 13, 2013 9:53:19 GMT -6
This is the FINAL year of this re-sign period any unused re-signs will not carry over to the next period. If people do not feel like this system is working we would not change it until after this off-season as some teams have probably made moves knowing they had this year to re-sign certain players. What do you mean by FINAL year of resign period and NEXT period. I am under the impression that you could have three, does it go in waves, what happens if a contract lasts longer then that "period" I am awfully confused. Also have we figured out when the resinging timeframe is for 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the cap on re-signed players will be reset next offseason - clean slates all around. All contracts offered this offseason will be on your books going forward, but you will have the ability to re-sign players next year (beginning the next 4 year period) even if you hit the cap of 3 this year. So teams like the White Sox and Angels cannot resign now but can next year. You, Red Sox have 2 openings for re-signs this offseason and its a use it or lose it situation. Look at Werth on the Phillies - he was re-signed 2 separate times which count against their cap of 3. The most current contract carries forward, while obviously the other one expired. I believe that the intent to limit re-signings per team is to create a larger FA pool and not have teams with great farm systems in real life dominate in this league. I think?
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Post by Red Sox GM on Dec 13, 2013 11:03:17 GMT -6
Mets, I'm not sure what the Marlins is talking about. I'll post on our TAB board for clarification and either myself or the Marlins will post here to clarify.
I've always understood that each team can have 3 players on their team protected from FA. Once a player's contract expires you can resign that player to a minimum of a 3 year contract, that is approved by the TAB. I also understood that you always have those three spots available regardless if you use them or not, but you can only exercise them during the resign period.
That period is usually a week or two during the off-season before FA starts. So if you currently don't have any players under the resign/franchise tag then you can propose to resign up to three players that have expiring contracts in order to protect from FA. If you decide you don't have 3 players worthy of the resign tag you can wait and use any of the 3 unused slots next off season when the resign period begins again.
It's basically like franchising a player in the NFL, but you're only allowed to do it during the off-season.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2013 13:50:26 GMT -6
Mets is correct.
Personally I have other re-sign ideas than the system we use that we could change to next year if enough people want to change or we can continue with the current set-up.
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Post by Red Sox GM on Dec 13, 2013 15:25:45 GMT -6
Ok, after reading the Mets explanation I understand what's going, I think. (good thing I'm on the TAB) Doesn't this actually do the opposite and limit the amount of players in the FA pool.
For example I have used all three of my resigns slots, but if I'm reading this correctly I'm about to get three new slots, plus I get to keep the guys I currently have under contract from the last period? If that's the case it brings up two questions. One, shouldn't everyone be using their resign slots this year since they are getting ready to reset? Second, this is essentially keeping six players from my roster from being in the FA pool.
I'm not saying this system is bad, but it seems like we would better off just doing three resign slots per team in a rolling format if the goal is to increase the quality of the FA pool.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2013 16:04:34 GMT -6
To answer your first question, no. Why would I want to re-sign a scrub to a 3-yr no trade/no release contract just to use a slot? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a re-sign rule from another league that is similar to what your saying.
As your players' contracts expire, you will have a chance to resign them. Every offseason, you can resign your expiring contracts. There are limitations: You may only have 5 resigned players on your roster at any given time, and these players are not tradeable for 6 months after being resigned. All Re-Signs must be for at least 2 years (but not greater than 4-yr or 5-yrs w/option), and you may not use more than 2 resigns in any given year. This prevents a team from repeatedly resigning a core group of players. To resign a player, you must make the player an offer in the player resigns forum.
You may offer the player what you want, but there is one thing to remember: Pay cuts ARE allowed. Under the former administration, pay cuts were frowned upon, but that makes little sense in reality. For anybody over the age of 35, a pay raise would require good reason, as would a pay raise for somebody who struggled the previous year.
Players must be FA's, if they have an option year and you decline the option they are not eligible to be re-signed, they go into the FA pool and are free to be bid on.
Only players who have completed their contract can be re-signed. You can not restructure someone’s deal and call it re-signing.
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Post by Red Sox GM on Dec 13, 2013 16:13:30 GMT -6
I guess maybe we need to first define why we have resigns. I always thought resigns were so teams could keep some of their core players from hitting the FA market and possibly get them for a slightly cheaper cost. Almost like arbitration in real baseball.
I guess my team is a little deeper than most, but I would think everyone would be able to find three players on their roster to keep as a resign. Even if it was a low level guy, you could use a resign on him to shore up a backup position or middle relief guy or something to avoid scrambling in FA.
Now this would only make sense to do in a year like this when the resigns are going to start over as you would want to save your resigns for elite players.
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Post by Marlins GM (Joey) on Dec 13, 2013 16:22:01 GMT -6
I traded away potential re-signs in my lost year last season. Players I would have re-signed if not traded POTENTIALLY include 3B Chase Headley (SD) - $300,000 (2013), SP Justin Masterson - $300,000 (2013) and SP R.A. Dickey [Tor] - $4,400,000 (2013).
The specs I got were more valuable to me than using 2 re-signs.
And doing so requires a 3-yr NO TRADE/NO RELEASE Contract. You really think everyone is worth tying that up too? If so that is your right but I am not going to use NT/NR on middle-tier guys.
Any change to the system would be for 2014 we are going to finish out this cycle which only seems fair but if teams want to change it now we could as well.
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Post by GM Phillies on Dec 13, 2013 18:01:32 GMT -6
I actually like the system as it is now. I think it's also great to see 2 different strategies within the same rules. One team may want to use up their remaining re-signs on mid-tier players and another doesn't. I like seeing how the varied approaches play out. I'm also glad we're just not clones of each other and do things the same thing here. It makes it all interesting. This end year of a cycle would be the only time re-signs would just be used up on lower level guys. Won't happen again until the end year of the next cycle. But if a team manages to save all their re-signs until then, more power to them. I for one, probably can't save mine that long.
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Post by RaysGM on Dec 13, 2013 20:03:54 GMT -6
So is it 3 players in a rolling period, or clean slate with 2014 regardless of having resigns on your roster? 2nd option is how I read rules, meaning everyone will be able to resign 3 players next offseason if they wanted.
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Post by Red Sox GM on Dec 16, 2013 10:16:25 GMT -6
It's a clean slate starting in 2014. So if I use all them of mine right away, I would have 6 resign guys on my roster. Now I'm not going to do that, but it's good to know.
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